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keith



Joined: 19 Sep 2005
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 12:29 am    Post subject: Stumped! Reply with quote
This one has me stymied:
Code:
Puzzle: M4213352sh(16)
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . . | 8 . 7 | . . 6 |
| . . 5 | . 1 . | . 7 . |
| . . . | . 2 . | 4 . 3 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| 5 . . | . . 8 | . . 7 |
| . 6 1 | . . . | 2 8 . |
| 9 . . | 2 . . | . . 1 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| 1 . 6 | . 9 . | . . . |
| . 9 . | . 5 . | 6 . . |
| 2 . . | 6 . 1 | . . . |
+-------+-------+-------+
Keith

By the way, "stumped", for those of us who know cricket, is not a verb-ed word.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/stumped?rdfrom=Stumped&redirect=no
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Marty R.



Joined: 12 Feb 2006
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 4:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Lots of steps for a (16).

Remote pairs (34)
Coloring (4)
W-Wing (34)
XYZ transport (347)
XY-Wing (35-45-34)
Color pincer from above
Color pincer again to complete puzzle

(We've come to a pretty pass when you're stumped and I'm posting a solution). Rolling Eyes
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tlanglet



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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2008 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I also started of with the remote pair; so many <34>s. Next I found both a row and a column oriented finned x-wing on 3 at r15c15 which then offered a good old regular x-wing at the same location, A coloring on 3, and finally coloring on 4 finished it off.

I never got around to looking for other options .......

Ted
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cgordon



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Location: ontario, canada
PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 6:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
That was brutal - but I refused to be stymied. (Did you know a Stymie is an archaic golf term). I used an ER on <4>. Another on <3>. Then a Skyscraper on <4>. Then I was stymied and forced to resort to a w-wing (can’t stand those things). But that got me nowhere – so in desperation I took Colouring 101 from www.sudocue (didn’t get into Wraps and Traps). That seemed to get rid of two more 4’s in R9 Box9 – but I ain’t gonna make a habit of that method either. It's quicker to guess. Twisted Evil

Cheers, Craig
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Asellus



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hmmm... I didn't need any transporting or coloring.
(1) The Finned X-Wing/X-Wing at r15c15
(2) The W-Wing (or Remote Pair) to remove <4> from r4c5
(3) Skyscraper on <4> in r49 finishes it off.
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storm_norm



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
(2) The W-Wing (or Remote Pair) to remove <4> from r4c5


but this remote pair is a true remote pair and you can remove both the 3 and the 4. Question
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keith



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
storm_norm wrote:
Quote:
(2) The W-Wing (or Remote Pair) to remove <4> from r4c5


but this remote pair is a true remote pair and you can remove both the 3 and the 4. Question
Yes
Code:
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| 34b  2    9    | 8    34a  7    | 1    5    6    |
| 6    34c  5    | 349  1    349  | 8    7    2    |
| 78   1    78   | 5    2    6    | 4    9    3    |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| 5    34d  2    | 1  -3-46  8    | 9    346  7    |
| 347  6    1    | 349  347  3459 | 2    8    45   |
| 9    78   3478 | 2    3467 345  | 35   346  1    |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| 1    578  6    | 347  9    34   | 357  2    458  |
| 3478 9    3478 | 347  5    2    | 6    1    48   |
| 2    57   347  | 6    8    1    | 357  34   9    |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+


Keith

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storm_norm



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PostPosted: Sat Jun 14, 2008 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
keith wrote:
storm_norm wrote:
Quote:
(2) The W-Wing (or Remote Pair) to remove <4> from r4c5


but this remote pair is a true remote pair and you can remove both the 3 and the 4. Question
Yes

Keith


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wapati



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 18, 2008 5:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
storm_norm wrote:
Quote:
(2) The W-Wing (or Remote Pair) to remove <4> from r4c5


but this remote pair is a true remote pair and you can remove both the 3 and the 4. Question


There is an ER that does the same move, if you prefer?

Code:
+----------------+-----------------+----------------+
| 34   2    9    | 8   *34    7    | 1    5    6    |
| 6   *34   5    |*349 ^1    *349  | 8    7    2    |
| 78   1    78   | 5    2     6    | 4    9    3    |
+----------------+-----------------+----------------+
| 5   *34   2    | 1   #6-3-4 8    | 9    346  7    |
| 347  6    1    | 349  347   3459 | 2    8    45   |
| 9    78   3478 | 2    3467  345  | 35   346  1    |
+----------------+-----------------+----------------+
| 1    578  6    | 347  9     34   | 357  2    458  |
| 3478 9    3478 | 347  5     2    | 6    1    48   |
| 2    57   347  | 6    8     1    | 357  34   9    |
+----------------+-----------------+----------------+
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