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keith



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 4:47 pm    Post subject: Free Press, March 6, 2009 Reply with quote

Code:
Puzzle: FP030609
+-------+-------+-------+
| . 8 . | . . 5 | . 3 . |
| . . 1 | . 4 . | . 6 . |
| . . . | . 7 . | . 9 . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . 3 . | . . . | . 5 . |
| . . . | . . 9 | . . . |
| . . 6 | . . . | . 7 . |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . 7 . | . 6 . | . . . |
| . 9 . | . 2 . | 4 . . |
| . 2 . | 8 5 . | . . 7 |
+-------+-------+-------+


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A one-stepper.

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In stack 1, there is a potential DP of 23-25-35. R3c1 or 3 must = 4 or r8c1 must = 1 to kill the DP. Either forces r6c5 = 1 which solves the puzzle.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 5:57 pm    Post subject: Free Press Reply with quote

Two xy-chains remove the 2's in R3C1 & R3C3, which opens the puzzle.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Naked Triple in [b8] can be viewed as an XY-Wing. The pinchers can be extended into a 6-cell XY-Chain.

Code:
 XY-Wing with  v=[r9c6] and p=[r7c6],[r8c4]
 p=[r8c4]=1           a[r3c4]=2 => [r3c13]<>2
 p=[r7c6]=1 b[r7c1]=4 c[r1c1]=2 => [r3c13]<>2
 +--------------------------------------------------------------+
 | c24    8     7     |  6     9     5     |  12    3     124   |
 |  9     5     1     |  23    4     38    |  7     6     28    |
 |  34-2  6     34-2  | a12    7     18    |  258   9     2458  |
 |--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
 |  7     3     9     |  4     18    6     |  128   5     128   |
 |  25    1     25    |  7     38    9     |  6     4     38    |
 |  8     4     6     |  5     13    2     |  13    7     9     |
 |--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
 | b14    7     8     |  9     6    p14    |  35    2     35    |
 |  135   9     35    | p13    2     7     |  4     8     6     |
 |  6     2     34    |  8     5    v34    |  9     1     7     |
 +--------------------------------------------------------------+
 # 39 eliminations remain
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like this! After basics:
Code:
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| 24   8    7    | 6    9    5    | 12a  3   1-24  |
| 9    5    1    | 23   4    38   | 7    6    28d  |
| 234  6    234  | 12   7    18   |-258  9   -245-8|
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| 7    3    9    | 4    18   6    |-128  5   12-8  |
| 25   1    25   | 7    38   9    | 6    4    38c  |
| 8    4    6    | 5    13   2    | 13b  7    9    |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| 14   7    8    | 9    6    14   | 35   2    35   |
| 135  9    35   | 13   2    7    | 4    8    6    |
| 6    2    34   | 8    5    34   | 9    1    7    |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+

abcd is a four cell chain whose pincers are in the same box, so it is a cycle! Making the eliminations shown.

Then, a 4-cell chain (extended XY-wing) and a 5-cell chain (extended W-wing) finish it off.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

After the loop:
Code:
+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 24  8   7   | 6   9   5   | 12  3   14  |
| 9   5   1   | 23  4   38  | 7   6   28  |
| 234 6  -234 | 12d 7   18  | 58  9   45  |
+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 7   3   9   | 4   18  6   | 28  5   12  |
| 25  1   25a | 7   38  9   | 6   4   38  |
| 8   4   6   | 5   13  2   | 13  7   9   |
+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 14  7   8   | 9   6   14  | 35  2   35  |
| 135 9   35b | 13c 2   7   | 4   8   6   |
| 6   2   34  | 8   5   34  | 9   1   7   |
+-------------+-------------+-------------+

abcd is a 4-cell chain with pincers <2>. Some call it an extended XY-wing, because you can collapse adjacent cells into a pseudo-cell: For example, ab behaves like <23>.

Continuing on, we get to:
Code:
+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 24@ 8   7   | 6   9   5   | 12  3   14  |
| 9   5   1   | 23  4   38  | 7   6   28  |
|-234 6   34  | 12% 7   18  | 58  9   45  |
+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 7   3   9   | 4   18  6   | 28  5   12  |
| 5   1   2   | 7   38  9   | 6   4   38  |
| 8   4   6   | 5   13  2   | 13  7   9   |
+-------------+-------------+-------------+
| 14@ 7   8   | 9   6   14  | 35  2   35  |
| 13# 9   5   | 13# 2   7   | 4   8   6   |
| 6   2   34  | 8   5   34  | 9   1   7   |
+-------------+-------------+-------------+

The two cells @ act like <12>. With the strong link # we have perhaps an extended W-wing.

Now, the purpose of terminology is to help explain and understand. If the term "extended wing" means pincer transport (or pincer coloring) to some, perhaps these should be called something else?

We could call them simply, chains, but that misses the point of how you might find them.

Perhaps, "modified wing" is an option?

Keith
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

keith wrote:


Now, the purpose of terminology is to help explain and understand. If the term "extended wing" means pincer transport (or pincer coloring) to some, perhaps these should be called something else?

We could call them simply, chains, but that misses the point of how you might find them.

Perhaps, "modified wing" is an option?

Keith

I believe the ability to identify unique/unusual solving techniques has exceeded our terminology. What if we agreed on some fundamental terms/definitions and then describe situations like you found here using those pre-defined terms.

If pseudo-cell were a defined term, we could describe your solution as a "w-wing <12>,with strong link <1> in row7 and one wing formed as a pseudo-cell of r17c1. This deletes <2> from r3c1."

Otherwise, we will never stop defining new terms.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2009 10:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ted,

I like it! Now, we just have to define a pseudo-cell. How about: A group of two (or more) cells that behave as a single cell in some (simpler) named pattern.

Examples:

1. Type 3 UR
Code:
12    12
123   124    34


The cells 123 and 124 are a pseudo-cell 34. There is a pair 34 that eliminates 34 in any of their peers.

2. A 4-cell chain 12 - 23 -34 -14.

Any two adjacent cells form a pseudo-cell to make an XY-wing, for example, 13 - 34 - 14, or 12 - 24 - 14 or 12 - 23 - 13.

3. An extended XY- wing 12 - 23 - 23 - 23 -13.

The center three cells are a pseudo-cell 23, the XY-wing is 12 - 23 - 13.

Or, I suppose, the end pairs are pseudo-cells, the XY-wing is 13 - 23 - 12.


Is this on the right track, do you think?

Keith
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Keith, that is exactly what I was thinking. And, I don't think is makes a lot of difference if the pseudo-cells are grouped in the beginning, middle, end, or combinations of all; just say how you did it!

We could start a new, more appropriate thread, and hopefully get others to express themselves on this topic including the basic set of terms to be defined.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2009 5:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My two cents:

By "pseudocell" you mean something that functions akin to a single bivalue cell. What you are really talking about are two dissimilar candidate digits that have a strong inference.

In the case of the "W-Wing" with the 12 pseudocell, the 2-cell 124 ALS in r17c1 produces the 1=2 strong inference: ALS[(1)r7c1=(2)r1c1]. So, you can see this as a form of W-Wing, or as an ALS chain (of which an XY Chain is the simplest example) of 3 bivalue cells followed by the 2-cell ALS. Of course, you can also see it as a 5-cell XY Chain, which might be the easiest view!

But, why stop there? We could see it as a very short ALS Chain, a 2-cell ALS followed by a 3-cell ALS:
ALS[(2)r3c4=(3)r8c4]-ALS[(3)r8c1=(2)r1c1]r178c1
Or, in other words, your standard two ALS technique with shared exclusive <3> and shared common <2>.

So many ways to see the same thing!

In case of the UR Type 3, we have 12UR(3=4). Note that the inference, or "pseudocell", would exists even if this didn't form a Type 3 pattern. (It might be useful in some other way.)

I solved this puzzle using that 6-cell DP Marty pointed out. It can be seen as a sort of 14 "naked pair" involving a DP-induced "pseudocell", though this one involving a grouped digit:
(4)r1c1 - (4=1)r7c1 - 23/25/35DP[(1)r8c1=(4)r3c13]r358c13 - (4)r1c1; r1c1<>4

Thinking of these strong inference pairings as "pseudocells" may help one spot patterns closely related to familiar wing patterns, which has value. But, you can do the same just thinking them as strong inference pairs.
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