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wapati
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 Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:48 am Post subject: Sashimi Sword, or Jelly? |
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| Code: | . . .|8 4 9|2 . 7
. . .|7 . .|. 3 8
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. 5 .|9 . .|3 4 .
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. 7 3|. . 4|. 2 .
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. 4 .|. 9 .|. . .
3 8 .|. . 7|. . .
1 . 7|2 3 6|. . . |
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tlanglet
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 12:19 pm Post subject: |
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I did spot a Sashimi Swordfish that did not provide any direct eliminations, but | Quote: | treating it like a Kraken Swordfish, I deleted 6 from r3c4. Then a Type 1 UR 49, coloring 1 and a xy-wing 136 completed the task.
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I did not spot the Jelly.
Ted |
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daj95376
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:36 pm Post subject: |
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| After basics, there is a finned (non-Sashimi) Swordfish that produces an elimination. I didn't find a Jellyfish, either. |
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wapati
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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I never thought that it was the easy way. 
| Code: | .------------.-------------------.--------------.
| 5 3 *16 | 8 4 9 | 2 *16 7 |
| 4 2 9 | 7 *156 *15 | 56 3 8 |
| 7 16 8 | 356 2 35 | 146 9 145 |
:------------+-------------------+--------------:
| 8 5 *12 | 9 7 *12 | 3 4 6 |
| 26 16 4 | 13 58-1 235-1 | 7 58 9 |
| 9 7 3 | 56 568 4 | 18 2 15 |
:------------+----------------- -+--------------:
| 26 4 25 | 15 9 8 | 16 7 3 |
| 3 8 56 | 4 *15 7 | 9 *16 2 |
| 1 9 7 | 2 3 6 | 458 58 45 |
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Edited to correct r2c5, thanks Danny.
Last edited by wapati on Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:03 am; edited 1 time in total |
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wapati
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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This works also.
| Code: | .------------------.------------------.------------------.
| 5 3 *16 | 8 4 9 | 2 *16 7 |
| 4 2 9 | 7 156 15 | 156 3 8 |
| 7 16 8 | 356 2 135 | 1456 9 145 |
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| 8 5 *12 | 9 7 *12 | 3 4 6 |
| 26 16 4 | 1356 58-1 1235 | 7 58 9 |
| 9 7 3 | 156 1568 4 | 158 2 15 |
:------------------+------------------+------------------:
| 26 4 25 | 15 9 8 | 16 7 3 |
| 3 8 56 | 4 *15 7 | 9 *16 2 |
| 1 9 7 | 2 3 6 | 458 58 45 |
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wapati
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:20 pm Post subject: |
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I look for big fish.
I am aware that they are often the long path. |
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daj95376
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| Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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| wapati wrote: | I never thought that it was the easy way.
| Code: | .------------.-------------------.--------------.
| 5 3 *16 | 8 4 9 | 2 *16 7 |
| 4 2 9 | 7 *151 *15 | 56 3 8 |
| 7 16 8 | 356 2 35 | 146 9 145 |
:------------+-------------------+--------------:
| 8 5 *12 | 9 7 *12 | 3 4 6 |
| 26 16 4 | 13 58-1 235-1 | 7 58 9 |
| 9 7 3 | 56 568 4 | 18 2 15 |
:------------+----------------- -+--------------:
| 26 4 25 | 15 9 8 | 16 7 3 |
| 3 8 56 | 4 *15 7 | 9 *16 2 |
| 1 9 7 | 2 3 6 | 458 58 45 |
'------------'-------------------'--------------' |
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With your PM, there definitely isn't an easy way! You may wish to review the contents of cell [r2c5] -- <156>!
This puzzle has many solution paths. When you find a Jellyfish this deep into the solution, there's no guarantee that others will encounter it as well. I had a finned Franken Swordfish that took out [r5c5]<>1 prior to your Jellyfish ... and ... it took out the Jellyfish in the process. |
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wapati
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| daj95376 wrote: |
This puzzle has many solution paths. When you find a Jellyfish this deep into the solution, there's no guarantee that others will encounter it as well. I had a finned Franken Swordfish that took out [r5c5]<>1 prior to your Jellyfish ... and ... it took out the Jellyfish in the process. |
Yep. I doubt that anyone, but you, finds a franken anything before a jelly or sashimi-sword. I have been wrong before, will be again, I doubt it on this one? 
What does surprise me is that nobody else sees the jelly or the sashimi-sword. I guess my preference for big fish handicaps me in seeing other patterns. <sigh> |
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Marty R.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:50 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | What does surprise me is that nobody else sees the jelly or the sashimi-sword. |
I don't know what a sashimi is, but I've basically given up--a long time ago--on swordfish and jellyfish. Perhaps I don't know when to look for them and don't how to look for them efficiently, but they're too much effort for too little return. |
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wapati
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:05 am Post subject: |
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| Marty R. wrote: | | Quote: | | What does surprise me is that nobody else sees the jelly or the sashimi-sword. |
I don't know what a sashimi is, but I've basically given up--a long time ago--on swordfish and jellyfish. Perhaps I don't know when to look for them and don't how to look for them efficiently, but they're too much effort for too little return. |
I mostly agree with you.
I look for them because I like them.
I do not suggest them as a solving method, unless you enjoy finding them.
Remote pairs are about as rare.
M-wings, probably.
Look for what interests you, as I am sure we all do.
Edited to add:
Skyscraper is the basic sashimi.
It is an x-wing where only one pair of the strong links line up.
All sashimi are fish where one level does not line up. Simple, to me. |
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daj95376
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:11 am Post subject: |
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| wapati wrote: | Yep. I doubt that anyone, but you, finds a franken anything before a jelly or sashimi-sword. I have been wrong before, will be again, I doubt it on this one?
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An Empty Rectangle is a finned Franken X-Wing, and lots of members seem to have no trouble finding them. It's just a slight stretch to extend it to a finned Franken Swordfish. 
| wapati wrote: | | What does surprise me is that nobody else sees the jelly or the sashimi-sword. I guess my preference for big fish handicaps me in seeing other patterns. <sigh> |
I spent 30 minutes using my solver to try and find which steps you used to get to the PM with the Jellyfish. I finally decided that I didn't want to know badly enough  |
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wapati
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 4:25 am Post subject: |
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| daj95376 wrote: | | wapati wrote: | Yep. I doubt that anyone, but you, finds a franken anything before a jelly or sashimi-sword. I have been wrong before, will be again, I doubt it on this one?
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An Empty Rectangle is a finned Franken X-Wing, and lots of members seem to have no trouble finding them. It's just a slight stretch to extend it to a finned Franken Swordfish.
| wapati wrote: | | What does surprise me is that nobody else sees the jelly or the sashimi-sword. I guess my preference for big fish handicaps me in seeing other patterns. <sigh> |
I spent 30 minutes using my solver to try and find which steps you used to get to the PM with the Jellyfish. I finally decided that I didn't want to know badly enough |
Why would any one try nasty methods to avoid ER, a horrible step. Fair Ball.
I didn't get to the Jelly on purpose, I don't use some steps, or miss them, and there I was.
Wait a sec. Franken something is just an ER?
Why would anyone make it harder to spot? |
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daj95376
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| Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:20 pm Post subject: |
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[Withdrawn: unnecessary case of rambling!]
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wapati
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| Posted: Fri Apr 24, 2009 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| I use method two but I do ERs pretty late in my solving. |
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