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arkietech
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 1834 Location: Northwest Arkansas USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 6:00 am Post subject: AU tough September 28, 2012 |
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|6.4|..8|...|
|...|..5|..6|
|.3.|..9|...|
|---+---+---|
|.21|...|9..|
|3..|...|..4|
|..8|...|35.|
|---+---+---|
|...|3..|.8.|
|2..|7..|...|
|...|4..|5.1|
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arkietech
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 1834 Location: Northwest Arkansas USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:24 pm Post subject: |
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| 6 159 4 | 12 37 8 | 127 1239 3579 |
| 189 189 27 | 12 347 5 | 12478 12349 6 |
| 158 3 27 | 6 47 9 | 12478 124 57 |
|----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
| 4 2 1 | 5 6 3 | 9 7 8 |
| 3 59 59 | 8 2 7 | 16 16 4 |
| 7 6 8 | 9 1 4 | 3 5 2 |
|----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
| 19-5 149-5 c569 | 3 a59 126 | 2467 8 79 |
| 2 14589 c3569 | 7 589 16 | 46 3469 39 |
|c89 7 c36 | 4 b89 26 | 5 236 1 |
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(5=9)r7c5-(9=8)r9c5-anq:[(8=3695)r789c3,r9c1] => -5r7c12; stte
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(5=9)r7c5-(9=8)r9c5-(8=3695)r789c3,r9c1 => -5r7c12; stte
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Does the anq:[] help? What about ALS:[]?
I think it is easier to understand without the alphabet soup.
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JC Van Hay
Joined: 13 Jun 2010 Posts: 494 Location: Charleroi, Belgium
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I was expecting ...
Chain[6] : Death Blossom : (356=9)r789c3-(9=8)r9c1-(8=59)r79c5 :=> -5r7c12; UP81
Or, may be, ...
Chain[6] : ALS-XZ Rule : (3569=8)r789c3.r9c1-(8=59)r79c5 :=> -5r7c12; UP81 |
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ronk
Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 398
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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JC Van Hay wrote: | I was expecting ...
Chain[6] : Death Blossom : (356=9)r789c3-(9=8)r9c1-(8=59)r79c5 :=> -5r7c12; UP81
Or, may be, ...
Chain[6] : ALS-XZ Rule : (3569=8)r789c3.r9c1-(8=59)r79c5 :=> -5r7c12; UP81 |
I was expecting one less strong inference ... pseudo w-wing: (5=9)als:r789c3-(9)r9c1=(9)r9c5-(9=5)r7c5 |
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arkietech
Joined: 31 Jul 2008 Posts: 1834 Location: Northwest Arkansas USA
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2012 11:23 pm Post subject: |
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ronk wrote: | pseudo w-wing: (5=9)als:r789c3-(9)r9c1=(9)r9c5-(9=5)r7c5 |
I like it! Would this be proper?
pseudo xy-wing (5=9)r7c5-(9=8)r9c5-(8=5)als:r789c3,r9c1 => -5r7c12; stte |
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aran
Joined: 19 Apr 2010 Posts: 70
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Interesting to see reference to a Death Blossom
Which leads to some considerations :
There is a category distinction between Patterns which result from an interesting concept, and which are detected by looking for a manifestation of the concept on a grid, and Patterns which are merely short AICs possibly with certain characteristics (look for a bivalue...).
These latter aren't generally seized in their entirety without running through the AIC : so the AIC is fairly integral.
The former patterns make no recourse to AIC logic which is in many ways their attraction.
They can of course be demonstrated by AIC logic.
No one sees a Jellyfish as an AIC, no-one demonstrates by AIC that the jellyfish is solid in its logic.
No one sees a DL-ALS as an AIC (some such might be found by AIC logic as a loop, but then we are back into that second category of pattern).
So back to Death Blossom
If the Pattern is to survive in the memory, it deserves to be presented by its conceptual logic, and not by AIC.
Taking JC Van Hay's example, this might give
Death Blossom
stem 89r9c1
ALS 3569r789c3
ALS 589r79c5
{5369} {98} {895} : =><5>r7c12 |
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tlanglet
Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 2468 Location: Northern California Foothills
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well, leave for one day and you miss all the fun.
And besides that, I missed the als in b7 and could not find any other solution. Good job Dan.
I may pursue the Death Blossom later but for now it has lost all of its fragrance.
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ronk
Joined: 07 May 2006 Posts: 398
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 1:49 pm Post subject: |
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arkietech wrote: | Would this be proper?
pseudo xy-wing (5=9)r7c5-(9=8)r9c5-(8=5)als:r789c3,r9c1 => -5r7c12; stte |
It looks proper enough to me. For discontinuos loops, the other digits of the ALS are irrelevant. I also like your use of a comma, rather than '|', to separate list items. |
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