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Ruud
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 31
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 9:48 pm Post subject: One-Trick Pony |
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Here is a puzzle from the long forgotten top95.
Code: | 4 8 .|3 . .|. . .
. . .|. . .|. 7 1
. 2 .|. . .|. . .
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7 . 5|. . .|. 6 .
. . .|2 . .|8 . .
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. . 1|. 7 6|. . .
3 . .|. . .|4 . .
. . .|. 5 .|. . . |
The challenge:
Solve this puzzle using only singles, intersections, pairs, and a single advanced move.
There may be several alternative moves that you can choose from, but I wonder if you can find that one special move.
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Mogulmeister
Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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I've no idea but as it's you I shall say Death Blossom somewhere ? |
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keith
Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 3355 Location: near Detroit, Michigan, USA
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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2007 11:57 pm Post subject: |
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My opinion: A very unpleasant puzzle, for those of us who are inveterate pencil & paper solvers.
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Ruud
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 31
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 5:17 pm Post subject: |
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This is a very deceiving puzzle.
You need 2 naked pairs and 4 hidden pairs to get to this point:
Code: | .------------------.------------------.------------------.
| 4 8 7 | 3 12 12 | 56 9 56 |
| 59 359 39 | 6 48 48 | 2 7 1 |
| 1 2 6 | 57 9 57 | 3 8 4 |
:------------------+------------------+------------------:
| 7 34 5 | 89 348 489 | 1 6 2 |
| 69 13469 349 | 2 1346 57 | 8 34 57 |
| 28 1346 28 | 57 1346 14 | 57 34 9 |
:------------------+------------------+------------------:
| 58 45 1 | 48 7 6 | 9 2 3 |
| 3 67 89 | 1 28 289 | 4 5 67 |
| 269 4679 249 | 49 5 3 | 67 1 8 |
'------------------'------------------'------------------' |
Now you can make your move. No Death Blossom. No chain.
Ruud |
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TKiel
Joined: 22 Feb 2006 Posts: 292 Location: Kalamazoo, MI
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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My hat is off to the pencil and paper people who slogged through this. Salute!
Ruud wrote: | Now you can make your move. |
How come every time I try a move , the defense slams the ball back in my face? |
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Ruud
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 31
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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Hint:
.------------------.------------------.------------------.
| 4 8 7 | 3 12 12 | 56 9 56 |
| 59 359 39 | 6 48 48 | 2 7 1 |
| 1 2 6 | 57 9 57 | 3 8 4 |
:------------------+------------------+------------------:
| 7 34 5 | 89 348 489 | 1 6 2 |
| 69 13469 349 | 2 1346 57 | 8 34 57 |
| 28 1346 28 | 57 1346 14 | 57 34 9 |
:------------------+------------------+------------------:
| 58 45 1 | 48 7 6 | 9 2 3 |
| 3 67 89 | 1 28 289 | 4 5 67 |
| 269 4679 249 | 49 5 3 | 67 1 8 |
'------------------'------------------'------------------' |
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Mogulmeister
Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:15 am Post subject: |
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67 can not exist in r9c2 - all the other pairs are locked in. Is this in someway bug related ? |
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Ruud
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 31
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 5:26 pm Post subject: |
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This move is called BUG-Lite.
A size 12 Deadly Pattern is very rare.
Ruud |
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Mogulmeister
Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:41 am Post subject: |
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Many thanks for sharing that. |
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Hasel
Joined: 23 Aug 2007 Posts: 4
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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That was tough ,, but i did it .
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Ruud
Joined: 18 Jan 2006 Posts: 31
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 2:12 pm Post subject: New Trick |
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Here is another One-Trick Pony.
A rather nice step cracks the puzzle, but there is a less elegant alternative that achieves the same result.
Code: | 1 9 .|. 5 .|. . 4
. . 7|. . .|3 . .
. . .|9 . 3|. 2 5
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. 8 .|. . 6|. . 2
. . .|. 4 .|. . .
3 . .|8 . .|. 1 .
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6 3 .|1 . 7|. . .
. . 8|. . .|5 . .
7 . .|. 8 .|. 3 1 |
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Johan
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 206 Location: Bornem Belgium
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Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: |
A rather nice step cracks the puzzle
This is the grid after basic steps
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+----------------+--------------+----------------+
| 1 9 3 |*26 5 28 | 678 678 4 |
| 25 25 7 |*46 16 148 | 3 689 689 |
| 8 46 46 | 9 7 3 | 1 2 5 |
+----------------+--------------+----------------+
| 459 8 149 | 357 13 6 | 479 4579 2 |
| 259 2567 1269 | 257 4 1259 | 6789 56789 3 |
| 3 24567 2469 | 8 29 259 | 4679 1 679 |
+----------------+--------------+----------------+
| 6 3 5 | 1 29 7 | 2489 489 89 |
| 249 1 8 |*2346 *36 249 | 5 679 679 |
| 7 24 249 | 245-6 8 2459 | 269 3 1 |
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There is an WXYZ-wing with pivot in R8C4 which eliminates <6> in R9C4.
The common number (Z) or <6> can only reside in R1C4, R2C4, R8C4 or R8C5.
R9C4 contains a <6> that can see the other four cells (R1C4, R2C4, R8C4 and R8C5), so <6> can be erased from R9C4, and the puzzle collapses.
Never encountered this step before in a previous puzzle, but like Ruud said a very nice step to crack this one. |
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Steve R
Joined: 24 Oct 2005 Posts: 289 Location: Birmingham, England
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Posted: Sat Sep 08, 2007 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Johan,
Yes, that’s my preferred solution too. If you have not seen it, may I recommend bennys’s original paper on almost locked sets? It is a model of clarity, effectively covering every known xy…etc wing in one fell swoop. (The endorsement does not extend to the rest of the thread, which adds little you will not be able to work out for yourself).
The question remains as to whether this approach satisfies Ruud’s criteria of elegance. I have a sneaking suspicion that he might be attracted by a uniqueness argument, even if, so to speak, it is in reverse.
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Johan
Joined: 25 Jun 2007 Posts: 206 Location: Bornem Belgium
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 12:33 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | may I recommend bennys’s original paper on almost locked sets |
Steve,
Thanks for the useful ALS info from bennys's original paper.
Reading this ALS topic more than once, I conclude that the eliminations are based upon the restricted common candidate (in the wxyz-wing with pivot in R8C4, <6> is restricted common.)
Though in this wxyz-wing example with a four-value pivot and three bi-value cells lined up in a L-shape, was not so hard to spot, finding a restricted common candidate in ALS-cells which have more than two or three values in one cell,and are arbitrary lined up in the grid, is much harder to detect IMO.
Johan, |
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Mogulmeister
Joined: 03 May 2007 Posts: 1151
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Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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I often assume on the extreme puzzles that where an ALS elimination is likely to occur one of the ALS's is usually a bivalue. This often works.
When this doesn't work, one can build out from there. A sort of reverse engineer. I look for the eliminands then go back and find the restricted common candidate between the sets which supports/denies the elimination. |
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