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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:35 pm    Post subject: Menneske #3659398, Super hard (33) | 
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				I couldn't find moves that opened it up and I ended up using an embarrassingly high number of steps.
 
 
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+-------+-------+-------+
 
| 7 . . | 8 6 3 | . . 2 |
 
| . . 4 | . . . | 9 . . |
 
| . 8 . | 9 . 2 | . 3 . |
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| 3 . 6 | 4 . 1 | 2 . 8 |
 
| 9 . . | . . . | . . 3 |
 
| 8 . 1 | 2 . 9 | 6 . 7 |
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . 6 . | 3 . 4 | . 7 . |
 
| . . 3 | . . . | 8 . . |
 
| 1 . . | 6 5 8 | . . 4 |
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 10:24 am    Post subject:  | 
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				Marty,
 
 
This is a trivial puzzle.  Did you post the wrong one?
 
 
Keith
 
 
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| 7     159   59    | 8     6     3     | 145   145   2     | 
 
| 256   1235  4     | 157   17    57    | 9     1568  156   | 
 
| 56    8     5     | 9     147   2     | 1457  3     156   | 
 
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| 3     57    6     | 4     7     1     | 2     59    8     | 
 
| 9     2457  257   | 57    78    567   | 145   145   3     | 
 
| 8     45    1     | 2     3     9     | 6     45    7     | 
 
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
 
| 25    6     2589  | 3     129   4     | 15    7     159   | 
 
| 245   24579 3     | 17    1279  7     | 8     12569 1569  | 
 
| 1     279   279   | 6     5     8     | 3     29    4     | 
 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:24 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Keith, the puzzle posted is not the one I intended to show. I don't know what a trivial puzzle means. Below is the Menneske puzzle I meant to post.
 
 
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+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . . . | . . 5 | . . . |
 
| 9 2 8 | . 3 4 | . . . |
 
| 5 7 . | . 6 . | . 1 . |
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| 7 1 . | . . . | . . . |
 
| . 5 9 | . . . | 8 6 . |
 
| . . . | . . . | . 3 1 |
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
| . 6 . | . 8 . | . 4 9 |
 
| . . . | 3 7 . | 6 2 8 |
 
| . . . | 4 . . | . . . |
 
+-------+-------+-------+
 
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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:17 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				Marty,
 
 
"Trivial" means it can be solved by singles only.  It does not even need any pairs or naked sets.
 
 
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		keith
 
 
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				 Posted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:47 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				After basics:
 
 
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| 16   34   16   | 7    29   5    | 2349 8    234  | 
 
| 9    2    8    | 1    3    4    | 57   57   6    | 
 
| 5    7    34   | 89   6    289  | 2349 1    234  | 
 
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
 
| 7    1    36   | 68   45   38   | 245  9    245  | 
 
| 34   5    9    | 2    14   137  | 8    6    47   | 
 
| 2468 48   246  | 69   459  79   | 457  3    1    | 
 
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| 123  6    1237 | 5    8    12   | 137  4    9    | 
 
| 14   49   5    | 3    7    19   | 6    2    8    | 
 
| 1238 389  1237 | 4    129  6    | 1357 57   357  | 
 
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There is a Type 1 UR (57) that does not help much.
 
 
Then, it needs a bunch of chains.  I do not see a clever solution.
 
 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:14 am    Post subject:  | 
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Then, it needs a bunch of chains. I do not see a clever solution.  | 	  
 
 
Yep. After the useless UR there were M-, XY- and Finned X-Wings. Then four chains and finished it off with coloring, which I guess is a form of chain. | 
			 
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