dailysudoku.com Forum Index dailysudoku.com
Discussion of Daily Sudoku puzzles
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

m.b.metcalf's patterns game puzzle
Goto page Previous  1, 2
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    dailysudoku.com Forum Index -> Other puzzles
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Asellus



Joined: 05 Jun 2007
Posts: 865
Location: Sonoma County, CA, USA

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 10:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that there is a lot of not seeing the forest for the trees here. In order to be useful, an AIC must form a closed loop. That loop can be continuous or discontinuous.

In a continuous loop, the inferences alternate strong-weak all the way around the loop and there isn't really any starting or ending point. (And, there certainly aren't two strong inference ends. Clearly, Myth Jellies was not describing such a continuous loop AIC.) In a continuous loop all of the links become strong and eliminations can result at any of the previously weak link locations in the loop.

In a discontinous loop, there is one point, or "node," in the loop where there are matching inferences on either side of that node, the "discontinuity".

If the matching inferences at the discontinuity are weak, then the item(s) at the discontinuity are eliminated. The ends of the alternating portion of the AIC will be strongly linked to the AIC. (This is the situation Myth Jellies was describing.) AIC loops with weak link discontinuities are the sort most often encountered and thus most often discussed. Whether or not the weak link discontinuity is included in the Eureka notation is a matter of personal preference. I usually prefer to include the discontinuity because in some cases (as when the digits at the strong link ends of the AIC are dissimilar) it helps to make the elimination clearer.

If the matching inferences at the discontinuity are strong, then the item at the discontinuity must be true. In this case, the ends of the alternating portion of the AIC will be weakly linked to the AIC. But, it is still an AIC (and I am confident Myth would agree). I have never seen an AIC with a strong link discontinuity notated without including the discontinuity. Why is it that including the strong link discontinuity is non-controversial while including a weak link discontinuity is? It seems silly to me.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
daj95376



Joined: 23 Aug 2008
Posts: 3854

PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2009 11:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[Withdrawn: letting it slide.]

Last edited by daj95376 on Sun Mar 01, 2009 5:13 pm; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Asellus



Joined: 05 Jun 2007
Posts: 865
Location: Sonoma County, CA, USA

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2009 10:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

daj95376 wrote:
That's not how Myth Jellies presented it in his thread

First, I must say that this is REALLY tiresome! Nothing in what you have quoted of Myth Jellies contradicts in any way whatsoever anything that I have written. The example from Myth Jellies that you provide IS A LOOP!

(8)R8C6 - (8)r9c6=(8-5)r9c7=(5)r8c8 - (5)r3c8=(5-8)r3c5=(8)r3c2 - (8)r1c3=(8)r8c3 - (8)R8C6 - (8)r9c6=(8-5)r9c7=(5)r8c8 - (5)r3c8=(5-8)r3c5=(8)r3c2 - (8)r1c3=(8)r8c3 - (8)R8C6; R8C6<>8

It is a loop with a weak inference discontinuity, with regard to <8>s, in r8c456 and r9c123. Of those, only r8c6 contains an <8> that can be eliminated due to this discontinuity. I have gone around the loop twice in the notation to convince you that it really, really is a loop! And, I've highlighted the weak link discontinuity in red to convince you that it really, really is a weak link discontinuity.
Quote:
He made a separate definition for an AIC loop.

Yes, that is a continuous loop. Do I really need to explain to you that when I talk about continuous and discontinuous loops I'm not talking about the same thing? If Myth Jellies only wants to consider continuous AIC loops to be loops and wants to consider discontinuous loops to be something else entirely, well then... that's his perogative. However, I would tend to give Myth Jellies the benefit of the doubt and conclude that you are the one obsessed with the trees.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    dailysudoku.com Forum Index -> Other puzzles All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2
Page 2 of 2

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2005 phpBB Group