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Captain Pete



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:42 pm    Post subject: Menneske SH Reply with quote
I'm stuck...

[code]
+----------+-----------------+----------------+
| 78 9 48 | 167 1246 2468 | 14568 256 3 |
| 6 2 5 | 3 148 48 | 7 9 148 |
| 1 3 478 | 5 9 24678 | 468 26 248 |
+----------+-----------------+----------------+
| 24 7 1 | 69 246 3 | 4568 256 2489 |
| 24 5 9 | 8 12467 2467 | 16 3 124 |
| 3 8 6 | 19 5 249 | 14 7 1249 |
+----------+-----------------+----------------+
| 78 4 3 | 679 68 689 | 2 1 5 |
| 5 6 2 | 4 3 1 | 9 8 7 |
| 9 1 78 | 2 78 5 | 3 4 6 |
+----------+-----------------+----------------+
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keith



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 10:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Menneske SH Reply with quote
Captain Pete wrote:
I'm stuck...


Yes, you are!

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Captain Pete



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Keith, Sorry for posting this at the wrong location, but... do you see anything?
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Steve R



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Code:
+----------+-----------------+----------------+
| 78 9 48  | 167 1246  2468  | 14568 256 3    |
| 6  2 5   | 3   148   48    | 7     9   148  |
| 1  3 478 | 5   9     24678 | 468   26  248  |
+----------+-----------------+----------------+
| 24 7 1   | 69  246   3     | 4568  256 2489 |
| 24 5 9   | 8   12467 2467  | 16    3   124  |
| 3  8 6   | 19  5     249   | 14    7   1249 |
+----------+-----------------+----------------+
| 78 4 3   | 679 68    689   | 2     1   5    |
| 5  6 2   | 4   3     1     | 9     8   7    |
| 9  1 78  | 2   78    5     | 3     4   6    |
+----------+-----------------+----------------+

The conjugates for 1 and 7 in boxes 2 and 5 suggest a short chain:

r6c4 ≠ 1 ==> r1c4 = 1 ==> r3c6 = 7 ==> r5c6 ≠ 7 ==> r5c5 = 7 ==> r6c4 = 1

Code:
+----------+----------------+--------------+
| 78 9 48  | 67  1246 2468  | 1568 256 3   |
| 6  2 5   | 3   148  48    | 7    9   148 |
| 1  3 478 | 5   9    24678 | 68   26  248 |
+----------+----------------+--------------+
| 24 7 1   | 69  246  3     | 568  256 289 |
| 24 5 9   | 8   2467 2467  | 16   3   12  |
| 3  8 6   | 1   5    29    | 4    7   29  |
+----------+----------------+--------------+
| 78 4 3   | 679 68   689   | 2    1   5   |
| 5  6 2   | 4   3    1     | 9    8   7   |
| 9  1 78  | 2   78   5     | 3    4   6   |
+----------+----------------+--------------+

Similarly the conjugates for 5 and 8 in boxes 4 and 6 suggest:

r4c9 = 9 ==> r4c7 = 8 ==>r1c7 = 5 ==> r2c9 = 1 ==> r3c9 = 4 ==> r4c9 = 8.

Placing 9 in r4c4 solves the puzzle.

Steve
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Marty R.



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Quote:
r6c4 ≠ 1

Steve, how do you get those unequal symbols? I don't see them in my character map. Question
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Steve R



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 2:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sorry, Marty, there is no trick: mine contains ≠ (Microsoft Word 2002).

What drives me to distraction is the absence of a symbol for “implies.” As my mission in life seems to be keeping Mr Gates in the manner to which he has become accustomed, perhaps this omission will be repaired next year.

[OK. I should have said “one of the many thousands of things which drive me ….”]

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Marty R.



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
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Sorry, Marty, there is no trick: mine contains ≠ (Microsoft Word 2002).


Steve, I have Word 2002 but I don't know how to type it in that any more than I know how to do it anywhere else.
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keith



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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Marty,

Go to Insert ... Symbol (or Special Character) and you will get a table where you can find the character. You should also be able to type it as an ASCII or Unicode character, but I have yet to figure out how.

For the time being, you can copy and paste it from Steve's message.

By the way, these things are not very reliable. They depend on the recipient's selection of fonts and encoding being similar to your own.

Keith
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ravel



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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Steve R wrote:
What drives me to distraction is the absence of a symbol for “implies.”

You could do it like this:
r6c4 ≠ 1 ⇒ r1c4 = 1 ⇒ r3c6 = 7 ⇒ r5c6 ≠ 7 ⇒ r5c5 = 7 ⇒ r6c4 = 1

As Keith pointed out, this is a complex problem and though i like to criticize Microsoft, this is not BG's fault.

In an editor it depends on the font, what you see. Then it depends on the application (program) and the operating system, what the clipboard holds, when you copy text. Next it depends on the application, what it does, when you paste the text.

E.g. in this case in Word i can find the symbol in the "Arial Unicode MS" font. If i copy it into a reply (in Firefox), i still see it in the reply window. After clicking on Preview the Web application (phpbb) has changed it to "&" followed by "#8658;", which i suppose is a unicode representation.
When i copy it from the Preview window back to word, i still have the ≠, but instead of ⇒ i now see a square.

Too many cooks spoil the broth.
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keith



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2008 12:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
ravel wrote:

E.g. in this case in Word i can find the symbol in the "Arial Unicode MS" font. If i copy it into a reply (in Firefox), i still see it in the reply window. After clicking on Preview the Web application (phpbb) has changed it to "&" followed by "#8658;", which i suppose is a unicode representation.
When i copy it from the Preview window back to word, i still have the ≠, but instead of ⇒ i now see a square.


Actually, the & # stuff is html, which (as I understand) is rendered by the recipient's browser. Your results may vary!

In fact, I do blame BG for Unicode. For most data, we could be sending extended ASCII from Unix. Instead, we are sending Unicode from Windows.

As someone once said: "What the hardware gods giveth, the software gods pisseth away."

Keith
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