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keith
Joined: 19 Sep 2005 Posts: 3355 Location: near Detroit, Michigan, USA
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Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 11:42 pm Post subject: 8-3-2006 "Very Hard" |
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There is an X-wing in the starting position. You do not need pencil marks to find it.
OK, I admit the X-wing is not "required" to solve the puzzle, but I had great fun finding it.
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Marty R.
Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 5770 Location: Rochester, NY, USA
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: |
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Quote: | OK, I admit the X-wing is not "required" to solve the puzzle, but I had great fun finding it. |
There wasn't much else required to solve it either, beyond naked sets and locked candidates. |
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orly
Joined: 04 Aug 2006 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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I am here with this puzzle:
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* | 89 | 138 * | 69 | 138 * 36 | | *
* 5 | | * 7 | | * | 4 | 2 *
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* 1349| 479 | * | 69 | 13 * 36 | 17 | *
* | | 2 * 5 | | * | | 8 *
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* 13 | 78 | * | | 138 * | 17 | *
* | | 6 * 2 | 4 | * 5 | | 9 *
* | | * | | * | | *
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* 46 | | * | | 56 * | | 45 *
* | 1 | 9 * 3 | 7 | * 8 | 2 | *
*_____________________________________________________*
* | 2456| 45 * 46 | | 256 * | | *
* 7 | | * | 8 | * 1 | 9 | 3 *
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* 234 | 2458| 3458* 14 | 125 | * | | 45 *
* | | * | | 9 * 7 | 6 | *
* | | * | | * | | *
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* 149 | 459 | 145 * 89 | 135 | * | 358 | *
* | | * | | 7 * 2 | | 6 *
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* | 256 | 15 * 16 | 1235| * | 35 | *
* 8 | | * | | 4 * 9 | | 7 *
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* 269 | | * 89 | 25 | 256 * | 58 | *
* | 3 | 7 * | | * 4 | | 1 *
* | | * | | * | | *
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You both have said that advanced techniques were not needed, but I don't see my next move. Can you please explain what it would be and why? |
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David Bryant
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 559 Location: Denver, Colorado
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Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 9:18 pm Post subject: hidden pairs will crack it. |
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Hi, Orly! Welcome to the forum.
All you need to crack this puzzle is to find a few hidden pairs.
First, look carefully at column 3, and at row 7. You can see the pair {2, 6} already entered in both. Now look at the bottom left 3x3 box (box 7). Because of the way column 3 and row 7 intersect that box, it is evident that the pair {2, 6} must lie in r8c2 & r9c1 ... there are no other cells in which either of those values can possibly be placed.
OK, that was just for warmup. Here's a clue that will get you going again.
Look at the bottom left 3x3 box. The values {3, 8} are already entered there. Then look at row 5, where you will see {3, 8} once again. So there are three cells in column 3 (r5c3, r7c3, and r8c3) that cannot possibly contain either "3" or "8", implying that the hidden pair {3, 8} must lie in r1c3 & r6c3.
(Working from the diagram you posted, you can also spot this by observing the triplet of values {1, 4, 5} in r5c3, r7c3, and r8c3. I think the "hidden pairs" are usually easier to spot without the candidate lists, but either approach works.)
Anyway, with the candidates for r1c3 reduced to {3, 8} you will notice that r1c6 = 1 (unique horizontal), and you should be able to make more progress from there.
Happy sudokuing! dcb |
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mazin
Joined: 05 Aug 2006 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 11:35 am Post subject: |
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orly wrote: | I am here with this puzzle:
Code: |
*******************************************************
* | 89 | 138 * | 69 | 138 * 36 | | *
* 5 | | * 7 | | * | 4 | 2 *
*_____________________________________________________*
* 1349| 479 | * | 69 | 13 * 36 | 17 | *
* | | 2 * 5 | | * | | 8 *
*_____________________________________________________*
* 13 | 78 | * | | 138 * | 17 | *
* | | 6 * 2 | 4 | * 5 | | 9 *
* | | * | | * | | *
*******************************************************
* 46 | | * | | 56 * | | 45 *
* | 1 | 9 * 3 | 7 | * 8 | 2 | *
*_____________________________________________________*
* | 2456| 45 * 46 | | 256 * | | *
* 7 | | * | 8 | * 1 | 9 | 3 *
*_____________________________________________________*
* 234 | 2458| 3458* 14 | 125 | * | | 45 *
* | | * | | 9 * 7 | 6 | *
* | | * | | * | | *
*******************************************************
* 149 | 459 | 145 * 89 | 135 | * | 358 | *
* | | * | | 7 * 2 | | 6 *
*_____________________________________________________*
* | 256 | 15 * 16 | 1235| * | 35 | *
* 8 | | * | | 4 * 9 | | 7 *
*_____________________________________________________*
* 269 | | * 89 | 25 | 256 * | 58 | *
* | 3 | 7 * | | * 4 | | 1 *
* | | * | | * | | *
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You both have said that advanced techniques were not needed, but I don't see my next move. Can you please explain what it would be and why? |
Thank you David and Orly.
I was exactly the same point, and stayed up to the early hours last night trying to figure this out.
Hopefully I will remember this method for future use!
I find the jargon a bit confusing, but I realise that is due to my ignorance |
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Marty R.
Joined: 12 Feb 2006 Posts: 5770 Location: Rochester, NY, USA
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Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 2:39 pm Post subject: |
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Quote: | I find the jargon a bit confusing, but I realise that is due to my ignorance |
Mazin, there is a wealth of information available. Just do a search on sudoku or sudoku techniques and you'll find plenty of reading matter which will explain most of the jargon. |
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