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tlanglet
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 Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: VH-like Menneske |
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A lower rated Menneske that is a good VH.
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|.5.|..9|.7.|
|..9|..8|4..|
|7..|4..|..3|
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|..5|987|2..|
|8..|6.4|..7|
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|..1|..2|5..|
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I had five steps to complete the puzzle as follows:
Two x-wings: one on <1> and another on <9>,
XYZ-wing <146> with pivot at r4c9,
either an xy-chain or an extended w-wing on <46>, and finally
a xy-wing <139>.
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ravel
Joined: 21 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 7:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Nice p&p puzzle. 5 normal wings do it. |
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Marty R.
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:26 am Post subject: |
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What was the rating Ted?
I used multi-coloring on 9 and an X-Wing on 1, not sure if either did anything. Then an XYZ-Wing on 146, XY-Wing on 496 with pincer coloring and the same XY-Wing on 139 that Ted used to finish it off. |
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cgordon
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Location: ontario, canada
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Nice p&p puzzle. 5 normal wings do it. |
When you say "normal" wings does that mean without extensions. I used the two x-wings and actually three xyz-wings <469>: <236>: <146> then I got stuck. But I don't extend. |
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ravel
Joined: 21 Apr 2006
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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| cgordon wrote: | | When you say "normal" wings does that mean without extensions. |
Yes, x-wings 1 and 9, xyz-wing 136, w-wing 46 in r4c8/r6c2 linked by 6 in row 2, xy-wing 469. |
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cgordon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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Ah! W-wings you say. I don't extend or use W-wings. I guess that's why I can't finish. Thanks anyway.
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tlanglet
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Marty R. wrote: | What was the rating Ted?
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I normally will only attack Menneske puzzles at low ratings generally below 100. This one was 19. I submitted it simply because I anticipated that most of the users on this site would require multiple steps; one step solutions on the first attempt of a puzzle are not much fun to me.
Ted |
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cgordon
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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| .... actually I am able to finish with my x and xyz wings - I missed a basic line elimination which leaves a Bug+1 for <369>. |
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Marty R.
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Location: Rochester, NY, USA
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| tlanglet wrote: | | Marty R. wrote: | What was the rating Ted?
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I normally will only attack Menneske puzzles at low ratings generally below 100. This one was 19. I submitted it simply because I anticipated that most of the users on this site would require multiple steps; one step solutions on the first attempt of a puzzle are not much fun to me.
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Ted,
To each his own. I don't consider most of the ratings up to 100 to be "low." 
As to one-step solutions, I dislike them too. A major disappointment is doing too many puzzles that are either too easy or hard; finding ones that are just right isn't so easy. |
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tlanglet
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| Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 5:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Marty R. wrote: |
Ted,
To each his own. I don't consider most of the ratings up to 100 to be "low."
As to one-step solutions, I dislike them too. A major disappointment is doing too many puzzles that are either too easy or hard; finding ones that are just right isn't so easy. |
I definitely do not want to imply that I am able to solve all or even most rated near 100, but I do try them in hopes that I will at least be able to make some good, difficult eliminations. I believe they help me develop my skills even when I am not able to fully solve the puzzle.
Ted |
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