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		daj95376
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 1:46 pm    Post subject: Set XY_02 Puzzle 5 -- Advanced | 
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 | 8 . . | . 4 . | . . . |
 
 | . . 3 | . . 5 | . . . |
 
 | . 2 4 | . . 8 | . . 9 |
 
 |-------+-------+-------|
 
 | . . . | 7 . . | . 3 8 |
 
 | 4 . . | . 6 2 | . 5 . |
 
 | . 9 2 | . 8 . | 6 4 . |
 
 |-------+-------+-------|
 
 | . . . | . . 9 | . . . |
 
 | . . . | 4 7 6 | . . . |
 
 | . . 7 | 8 . . | . . 4 |
 
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 	  | Code: | 	 		     c9b6  Naked  Pair                     <> 17   [r1278c9]
 
 r4  b4  Naked  Triple                   <> 156  [r5c23],[r6c1]
 
     b3  Naked  Triple                   <> 126  [r1c79]
 
 r1  b3  Naked  Pair                     <> 35   [r1c4]
 
   c8b3  Locked Candidate 1              <> 1    [r89c8]
 
 
         XY-Wing  [r2c9]/[r2c5]+[r3c8]   <> 1    [r3c45]
 
 
         Skyscraper      c26r9           <> 3    [r5c4],[r6c1]
 
         Skyscraper      c24r5           <> 3    [r7c1],[r9c6]   extraneous
 
         turbot fish/ER  c6b4            <> 3    [r9c2]          extraneous
 
 
         Empty Rectangle c8b1            <> 6    [r9c1]
 
 
 W-Wing: 2/9 in r1c4,r8c8 connected by 9 in r18c3 => r1c8<>2
 
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 |  8    16   169* | *29   4    7    |  35   26   35   |
 
 |  69   7    3    |  29   1    5    |  4    8    26   |
 
 |  5    2    4    |  6    3    8    |  7    1    9    |
 
 |-----------------+-----------------+-----------------|
 
 |  16   156  156  |  7    9    4    |  2    3    8    |
 
 |  4    3    8    |  1    6    2    |  9    5    7    |
 
 |  7    9    2    |  5    8    3    |  6    4    1    |
 
 |-----------------+-----------------+-----------------|
 
 |  126  4    156  |  3    25   9    |  8    7    256  |
 
 |  239  8    59*  |  4    7    6    |  1   *29   235  |
 
 |  239  56   7    |  8    25   1    |  35   269  4    |
 
 +-----------------------------------------------------+
 
 # 35 eliminations remain
 
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		gindaani
 
 
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				 Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2009 6:25 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				After the basics:
 
 
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| 8     16   169 | 1269 4    7  | 35  126 35   |
 
| 1679  167  3   | 1269 12   5  | 4   8   26   |
 
| 5     2    4   | 136  13   8  | 7   16  9    |
 
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| 16    156  156 | 7    9    4  | 2   3   8    |
 
| 4     37   8   | 13   6    2  | 9   5   17   |
 
| 37    9    2   | 5    8    13 | 6   4   17   |
 
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| 1236  4    156 | 123  1235 9  | 8   7   2356 |
 
| 1239  8    159 | 4    7    6  | 135 29  235  |
 
| 12369 1356 7   | 8    1235 13 | 135 269 4    |
 
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I needed four moves beyond the basics to solve.
 
 
 	  | Quote: | 	 		  3 skyscraper
 
261 xy-wing
 
69-92-26-62-29-95-56
 
6 skyscraper
 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 12:08 am    Post subject:  | 
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				An enjoyable three-stepper.
 
 
Coloring (3), XY-Wing (261) and W-Wing (29) with pincer transport. | 
			 
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		gindaani
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:31 am    Post subject:  | 
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				I'm guessing your W-Wing (29) with pincer transport is the same as my XY chain 69-92-26-62-29-95-56.   The chain resulted in r1c2<>6, r79c1<>6.  Is that the same eliminations your W-wing made?
 
 
I still needed a skyscraper (6) to finish it after that. | 
			 
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		Marty R.
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:55 am    Post subject:  | 
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				| My 29 cells were in r8c8 and r2c4, linked by the 2s in row 1. The 9 was transported from r2c4 to r1c3 via r1c4 and the 9 from r8c3 was eliminated. | 
			 
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:37 am    Post subject:  | 
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				gindaani,
 
that is a nice xy-chain.
 
if you were at all curious, FWIW the chain can be shortened.
 
 
(6=2)r1c8 - (2=9)r8c8 - (9=5)r8c2 - (5=6)r9c2 | 
			 
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		tlanglet
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 2:03 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				A slightly different, but similar three stepper:
 
skyscraper 2,
 
skyscraper 3,
 
w-wing 29 at r2c4 & r8c8 with strong link 2 in box3 and 9 at r8c8 transported to r9c1 via r9c8.
 
 
Ted | 
			 
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		gindaani
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 3:33 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | storm_norm wrote: | 	 		  if you were at all curious, FWIW the chain can be shortened.
 
 
(6=2)r1c8 - (2=9)r8c8 - (9=5)r8c2 - (5=6)r9c2 | 	  
 
 
The shorter chain does not eliminate 6 from r7c1, which is necessary to set up the skyscraper (6) to solve the puzzle.  With the shorter chain, I needed at least 1 extra step.
 
 
 	  | Marty R. wrote: | 	 		  | My 29 cells were in r8c8 and r2c4, ... to r1c3 via r1c4 and the 9 from r8c3 was eliminated. | 	  
 
 
That's a really nice move!  
 
 
It can be stated in Eureka as:
 
 
(9=2)r8c8 - (2)r1c8 = (2)r1c4 - (2=9)r2c4 - (9)r1c4 = (9)r1c3
 
 
That could be shortened to the chain:
 
 
(9=2)r8c8 - (2)r1c8 = (2-9)r1c4 = (9)r1c3 | 
			 
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		storm_norm
 
 
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				 Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:20 pm    Post subject:  | 
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				 	  | Quote: | 	 		  | The shorter chain does not eliminate 6 from r7c1 | 	  
 
I have to stop staying up so late.
 
for some unknown reason my brain tried telling me that the 6 you were eliminating was in box 1...   | 
			 
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