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		| Marty R. 
 
 
 Joined: 12 Feb 2006
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 Location: Rochester, NY, USA
 
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				|  Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 5:31 pm    Post subject: Vanhegan extreme |   |  
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				| This is puzzle #6-283136, rated 1.2.0.1.1. I can't even make a single move. I wonder what I missed. 
 
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 | 1 . 4 | . 5 . | . . 7 |
 | . 9 . | . . . | . 4 . |
 | . . 7 | . . 3 | 6 . 1 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . . 5 | . 4 . | . . . |
 | 2 . . | 8 . 6 | . . 9 |
 | . . . | . 3 . | 4 . . |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | 4 . 6 | 7 . . | 9 . . |
 | . 3 . | . . . | . 2 . |
 | 9 . . | . 6 . | 8 . 4 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 
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 Play this puzzle online at the Daily Sudoku site
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		| storm_norm 
 
 
 Joined: 18 Oct 2007
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				|  Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 8:42 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				|  	  | Code: |  	  | .---------------------.---------------------.---------------------. | 1      268    4     | 269    5      289   | 23     389    7     |
 | 3568   9      238   | 126    1278   1278  | 25     4      258   |
 | 58     258    7     | 4      289    3     | 6      589    1     |
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 | 3678   1678   5     | 129    4      1279  | 1237   13678  238   |
 | 2      4      13    | 8      17     6     | 1357   1357   9     |
 | 678    1678   9     | 125    3      1257  | 4      1678   28    |
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 | 4      1258   6     | 7      128    1258  | 9      135    35    |
 | 578    3      18    | 159    189    4     | 157    2      6     |
 | 9      1257   12    | 3      6      125   | 8      157    4     |
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 I managed to find these two to start things off with.
 (2=5)r2c7 - (5)r2c9 = (5-3)r7c9 = (3)r7c8 - (3)r1c8 = (3)r1c7; r1c7 <> 2
 (8=3)r2c3 - (3)r5c3 = (3)r5c8 - (3)r7c8 = (3-5)r7c9 = (5)r2c9; r2c9 <> 8
 
 leaves this grid.
 
  	  | Code: |  	  | .------------------.------------------.------------------. | 1     268   4    | 269   5     289  | 3     89    7    |
 | 368   9     38   | 16    178   178  | 25    4     25   |
 | 58    258   7    | 4     289   3    | 6     89    1    |
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 | 3678  1678  5    | 129   4     1279 | 127   1367  238  |
 | 2     4     13   | 8     17    6    | 157   1357  9    |
 | 678   1678  9    | 125   3     1257 | 4     167   28   |
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 | 4     158   6    | 7     128   1258 | 9     135   35   |
 | 578   3     18   | 159   189   4    | 157   2     6    |
 | 9     157   2    | 3     6     15   | 8     157   4    |
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		| daj95376 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu May 07, 2009 10:44 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| It's solvable with fish and fundamental chains, but the solution is ugly and lengthy. There's probably an ALS -- which I consider to be a network technique -- that makes an important elimination and shortens the solution. |  | 
	
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		| Marty R. 
 
 
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 Location: Rochester, NY, USA
 
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				|  Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 1:13 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Thanks. This seems unusually difficult for one of these. |  | 
	
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