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arjun
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 Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:01 am Post subject: I am stuck on this Genius Puzzle |
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Please help me with this. Thank you!!
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+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 3459 14589 14589 | 178 13578 2 | 6 79 14 |
| 2 1459 6 | 17 1357 145 | 134 79 8 |
| 34 148 7 | 6 9 148 | 1234 23 5 |
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| 49 2 1489 | 5 18 7 | 38 6 39 |
| 567 3 158 | 1289 1268 189 | 258 4 27 |
| 5679 56789 589 | 4 268 3 | 258 1 279 |
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| 1 59 2359 | 289 4 6 | 7 2358 23 |
| 8 457 2345 | 127 1257 15 | 9 235 6 |
| 5679 5679 259 | 3 2578 589 | 14 258 14 |
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Mogulmeister
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:35 am Post subject: |
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I'll give you 2 to help you get rolling again...
Try an XY chain with pincers at r3c8 and r7c9 that eliminates lots of 2s !
Then look for a 5,8,9 XYZ Wing.
Good Luck. |
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Marty R.
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Location: Rochester, NY, USA
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 3:48 pm Post subject: Re: I am stuck on this Genius Puzzle |
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| arjun wrote: | Please help me with this. Thank you!!
| Code: |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 3459 14589 14589 | 178 13578 2 | 6 79 14 |
| 2 1459 6 | 17 1357 145 | 134 79 8 |
| 34 148 7 | 6 9 148 | 1234 23 5 |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 49 2 1489 | 5 18 7 | 38 6 39 |
| 567 3 158 | 1289 1268 189 | 258 4 27 |
| 5679 56789 589 | 4 268 3 | 258 1 279 |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+
| 1 59 2359 | 289 4 6 | 7 2358 23 |
| 8 457 2345 | 127 1257 15 | 9 235 6 |
| 5679 5679 259 | 3 2578 589 | 14 258 14 |
+------------------+----------------+---------------+
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Here's another, although I don't know how it compares with MM's in effectiveness. Note the 49-34-39 XY-Wing pivoted in r4c1. It eliminates nothing, but the 3 can be transported from r3c1 to r2c7 and now the 3 in r4c7 can be eliminated. |
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Mogulmeister
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| Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Very nice and will also input to the XYZ wing - possibly doing even more danage to this tough puzzle. |
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mahadevan
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Location: india bangalore
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| Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 7:26 am Post subject: mr. arjun's puzzle |
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| Mr. Arun, I have solved the puzzle you put in the forum. At a very nice spot nonet 7 the puzzle made the way to solve. I do not know how to post the solved puzzle with techniques involved. If you give your E mail ID, I will send the suggestions and solved puzzle to you. My E mail ID mahadevanmdrt@gmail.com. I will post in the forum if you tell me how to link the EXCEL sheet with notes. |
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Pat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 8:15 am Post subject: |
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| mahadevan wrote: |
I have solved the puzzle
At a very nice spot
nonet 7 the puzzle made the way to solve.
I do not know how to post the solved puzzle with techniques involved.
If you give your E mail ID, I will send the suggestions and solved puzzle to you. My E mail ID---
I will post in the forum if you tell me how to link the EXCEL sheet with notes. |
hi mahadevan,
you can upload files
( such as your Excel )
at various other sites.
and you should probably edit-out your e-mail address
Last edited by Pat on Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:18 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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mahadevan
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wapati
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
Posts: 472
Location: Brampton, Ontario, Canada.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:13 pm Post subject: |
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A rule that doesn't always work is just a guess.
Take this puzzle.
| Code: | 3 . .|. 6 .|. . 4
4 . 6|2 1 .|. 9 .
. 5 .|3 . .|. . .
-----+-----+-----
. 9 .|1 . .|5 . .
. . .|. 8 .|. . .
. . 3|. . 6|. 2 .
-----+-----+-----
. . .|. . 8|. 7 .
. 1 .|. 5 2|4 . 6
6 . .|. 3 .|. . 9 |
After basics....
| Code: | .--------------------.-----------------.----------------.
| 3 27 1279 | 8 6 579 | 127 15 4 |
| 4 78 6 | 2 1 57 | 378 9 3578 |
| 12789 5 12789 | 3 479 479 | 6 18 1278 |
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| 78 9 478 | 1 2 347 | 5 6 378 |
| 1257 6 1257 | 579 8 3579 | 1379 4 137 |
| 1578 478 3 | 4579 479 6 | 1789 2 178 |
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| 259 3 2459 | 6 49 8 | 12 7 125 |
| 789 1 789 | 79 5 2 | 4 3 6 |
| 6 2478 24578 | 47 3 1 | 28 58 9 |
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Box 4, we have 1257 pair.
If we use your rule to eliminate the 7s from box 4 that are not part of the 1257 we end up with no solution. |
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mahadevan
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
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Location: india bangalore
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 2:04 pm Post subject: solving techniques |
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i don't know the puzzle given as a sample and test my technique, was a solved one. I have solved it.
In fact what I observe is that 1257 interacts between column 1 and 3 of Nonet 4. But my technique is not concerned with interaction; it deals with four identical numbers occupying consecutive cell. My friend may please review and let me know.
If the puzzle in question could not be solved even now, I am ready to post the solved puzzle with techniques involved.
I thank my friend for giving me a chance to try this puzzle. Of course, it also gave me a good idea on how to look at a puzzle from a different angle. |
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wapati
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Location: Brampton, Ontario, Canada.
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| Posted: Sat May 01, 2010 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: solving techniques |
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| mahadevan wrote: | i don't know the puzzle given as a sample and test my technique, was a solved one. I have solved it.
In fact what I observe is that 1257 interacts between column 1 and 3 of Nonet 4. But my technique is not concerned with interaction; it deals with four identical numbers occupying consecutive cell. My friend may please review and let me know.
If the puzzle in question could not be solved even now, I am ready to post the solved puzzle with techniques involved.
I thank my friend for giving me a chance to try this puzzle. Of course, it also gave me a good idea on how to look at a puzzle from a different angle. |
Yes, it is an easy puzzle. Your method makes it unsolvable.
| Code: | .---------------------.---------------------.---------------------.
| 5 1249 24 | 8 6 349 | 124 13 7 |
| 7 6 48 | 2 1 34 | 458 9 3458 |
| 12489 12489 3 | 5 479 479 | 6 18 1248 |
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| 48 478 9 | 1 2 457 | 3 6 458 |
| 1234 1234 6 | 349 8 3459 | 1459 7 145 |
| 1348 5 478 | 3479 479 6 | 1489 2 148 |
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| 239 2379 5 | 6 79 8 | 12 4 123 |
| 489 489 1 | 49 3 2 | 7 5 6 |
| 6 23478 2478 | 47 5 1 | 28 38 9 |
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Same puzzle, some renumber, column 23 xx. |
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mahadevan
Joined: 18 Nov 2009
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Location: india bangalore
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| Posted: Sun May 02, 2010 4:59 am Post subject: solving technique |
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| Thanks for the enlightenment. I have understood the situation. I will try to improve. |
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